K: Wow. They get us out, you know, hands up, hands against the car, then after about 15 - 20 minutes I made the comment that Bob will never ever forgive me for, when the sheriff says, Ill need to see licenses, and I said, Mines in the trunk. Of course everything was in the trunk, including the gun, the Geiger counter, all the video equipment and everything. I just did an interview with him. But since they dont know who they are or what theyre doing, they just want to say, Yeah, theyre from Zeta Reticuli. There was all kinds of evidence that it happened. But it was in the winter and I had this 2-wheel drive and I tried to go up this back road up to the mesa and I nearly went off into the canyon, so I never got up there. John Lear - UFOs and Aliens Can anyone confirm this? I picked this thing up and I said, This is kind of interesting. See, Id always been kind of interested in saucers, but not that much. #OurPain: The personal side of pain: John Lear - KLAS I didnt see it land but I know the guys who did. I said, You mean its real? He said, Yeah John, its real. So then at that exact time I ended up, I was based, in New York for this airline, and I called Budd Hopkins and I said, Id like to talk to you. OK. I came back from a trip in Europe that was crazy. In 1980, cattle mutilations near Dulce, New Mexico were linked to UFOs in popular media. J: No. We found a government pen up there. They are cybernetic organisms. And he said in the second interview, the first question was: Whats your relationship with John Lear, and what do you know about him? And Bob said, talking to me, he said, I told them that I do know John Lear, I go over to this house, I think he sticks his nose in places where it doesnt belong. He said, What I didnt tell them is I also like to stick my nose in places it doesnt belong. So then the next thing I know, is, I say December 6th it could have been before or after, I dont remember but this table wasnt here, there were two chairs there, and he came in. I mean, he was on the run wasnt he? Do you comb your house for bugs and things like that, or do you just not bother anymore? [2] In the second half of the 1980s, Lear was "probably the most influential source" of UFO conspiracy theories. Then Bill Cooper called and said, I can vouch for I forget what he said, 50 per cent, or 100 per cent of what John Lear says and so I invited Bill Cooper up. I read about what a ex CIA Pilot named John Lear said recently - Reddit